They kill deer. You had do drive around sitting in your fart sack with the windshield down – that sucked. While the original .223 cartridge was effective for small game and varmints, deer hunters found the cartridge lacking in knock-down power. Facebook; Twitter; Tumblr; LinkedIn; MySpace; Email; Go to. currently at 33.6gr of IMR-4227. The legend of the founding of the 458 SOCOM round does not begin in a large ammo company’s R&D but at a barbeque. Diam. I have been reloading for over 40 yrs. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); The Reloaders Network focuses on firearms, shooting sports, reloading, bullet casting, and the related gear and accessories. If there is a video project you want me to do, feel free to let me know in the discussion, comments, or by email. Once again we see that the .450 Bushmaster load outperforms all the others in terms of wind drift and the .50 Beowulf comes in last. For the most part….the SOCOM will replicate ‘medium’ loads of the 45-70. Powder ALL Accurate 1680 Accurate 2200 Accurate 2230 Accurate 4100 Accurate 5744 Accurate LT-30 Accurate LT-32 Ramshot Enforcer Ramshot X-Terminator. There are a lot of hunting bullets including the 300-grain and 350-grain Barnes bullets. BTHP for target shooting, and 155gr. We stand by our products 100 percent with a Satisfaction Guarantee policy. bullet is 300gr X-TREME.cant find an accurate load. I bought the equipment 6 years ago. .458 Socom - Manufacturer Loading Data. Nobody supports bullets. While not legal in states requiring straight-wall only cartridges, the 458 SOCOM offers the advantage of a hard-hitting 45 caliber rifle in the AR-15 platform. Most of us use either no crimp or a light crimp from the Lee Factory Crimp Die. Can withstand velocities up to 2000 fps. The Movie Black Hawk Down was based on a factual account, more or less, of the Battle of Mogadishu, not a novel (essentially names changed to protect the innocent). For hunting medium to large game, bullets in the 250 grain– 400 grain weight range possess devastating killing power. A slew of larger calibers from 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 Remington, 300 AAC Blackout to name a few, became standard offerings. At a savings of more than two dollars per … I was in the Army years ago in peace time and, yes I was fired on many, many times. 20 Round Box. Whole thing would never have happened if Clinton had not pursued internationalist goals in Somalia instead of keeping US neutral supplier of aid to starving civilians. But the 458 SOCOM would find its place far from the battlefield as a preferred large game caliber that hits hard and ethically drops bigger game at short to mid ranges. 458 SOCOM HUNTING & SNIPING AMMO 400 gr. Well I have researched just about everything I could find on the .458 SOCOM and unveiled some workable and useful data. Most have the cannular in the wrong place. Marty ter Weeme, founder of Teppo Jutsu, a small, custom ammunition design and firearms company in Texas, was chatting with a senior member of the US special operations community while having a few beers and some good down-home Texas BBQ. 458 SOCOM Subsonic Loads (Slow Heavy Hard Hitters!) Keep cranking them out and shooting them up! There are several options available for receiving notifications of new posts to include via email, push notifications, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Discord, and more. His son talked him into using 458 SOCOM in an AR platform and after finding out about Steinel’s 458 SOCOM 300 gr. 600 gr MOAB bullet mold without crimp groove, Lenink Power Adapter: Stable power for small electronic reloading scales, Gordons Reloading Tool (GRT), How to Start Using, GRTools – Reloading simulation software for free. As per popular demand, Buffalo Bore is introducing 6 new 458 SOCOM loads that will fill every possible need 458 SOCOM shooters may have. The Short action length and good short barrel performance make this an ideal hunting cartridge for hogs up to larger game like moose and bear. For those who want to hunt big game, destroy cars or houses, or do close range sniping with an AR platform firearm, the 458 SOCOM has no equal. Hornady 300gr. “I tried numerous brands of ammo. The Starline .458 SOCOM Brass case was specifically designed to be strong enough to easily withstand the high-pressure loads that are associated with smokeless hunting loads. Using their figures, the ft/lbs of energy is about 2,300 +. Another use for .458 SOCOM is as a hunting round. I recently aquired a RRA AR-15 in 458 SOCOM. looking for other powders, and wondering if I might be pushing this bullet to hard. The CBA is a international organization of shooters who enjoy casting and shooting lead alloy bullets for competition, hunting, experimenting, and casual shooting. Steinel Ammunition Co. is a premium manufacturer of self-defense, hunting, and target ammunition. Though the TTSX was supposed to be specifically developed for the SOCOM. The .458 SOCOM - 530 grain bullet is constructed of a pure lead core that is segmented in the nose of the bullet. Steinel Ammunition was at the forefront of bringing quality ammunition in this new caliber to the hunting community. It has a serrated jacket that is drawn of guilding metal. Want to bet it was milsurp FMJ? 458 SOCOM Pew Pew Penetration Test (Line up the milk jugs!) I purchased a box of 250 HSM 405gr .458" Lead (Still trying to figure out of they are cast or not, box did not say) bullets. Got tired of having to pick my shots using a 7mm-08…and bow-hunting them (Archery is my first love)…wasn’t keeping them thinned out quick enough. I have a 1955 Springfield Armory M1 Garand. That always works but it does… Read more ». Thanks. One of the many issues our US Forces commanders realized was that the current military round, the 5.56×45 cartridge, did not have effective stopping power on enemy troops, especially enemy troops hopped up on the local drug Khat, an herbal stimulant that causes loss of appetite, excitement and the inability to feel and register pain. The 2001 Ridley Scott movie Black Hawk Down, a film based on the novel by Mark Bowden about the 1993 raid in Mogadishu, brought home the enormity and horror of modern warfare to the American public. Pistol; Rifle; Cowboy; GR. Share Thread. Even though we currently offer 4 different loads, we are still expanding our 458 SOCOM offerings to meet the discerning broad needs of our customers. Initially, hunters who had been intrigued and enthusiastic about this round found it scarce in the marketplace, and if found, expensive. The.458 SOCOM is a relatively large round designed for a specialized upper receiver that can be mounted on any AR-15 pattern rifle. Rebated head is going to be tough to get to work right in lever with … 600 gr. We dual diametered the shank which allows the bullet seating closer to magazine length. Accuracy is the average of four five-shot groups fired from a sandbag benchrest at 100 yards. It is a place to teach, to learn, and to collaborate and interact. “Steinel Ammunition began offering accurate loads with a 300gr JHP and a 325gr FTX in 2016 and at prices that made hand loading much less beneficial.” I beg to differ on that claim. Right now I have 500 cases of 300BLK primed and ready for bullets that are on order and 500 cases of .223 I need to trim and… Read more ». For more information on Steinel Ammunition Co., visit www.steinelammo.com or follow along on Facebook or Instagram. Twinsburg, Ohio (Ammoland.com) – With hunting season underway across the country, an increasing number of AR-15 platforms are being used in the field. Although one did manage to move off the edge of a steep drop… Read more », I load 150gr. If you like my videos and want to support my channel, please visit: https://www.patreon.com/fullleadtaco *or* paypal.me/fullleadtaco Current coupon codes for my viewers: flt001 to use for 10% off at noebulletmoulds.com ctdradio to use for 15% off at concealmentsolutions.com taco to use for 10% off at buckeyetargets.com TACO10 to use for 10% off at tacware.com getinthevanihavecandy to use for a “significant discount” magholder.com aircandy to get free shipping and turret stickers at UtahAirGuns.com. 500 gr shortened version 600 gr MOAB bullet mold without crimp groove, I love guns, tacos, and lead. If so any info on type of action etc would be appreciated. As with any proper deer cartridge the bullet must be in the vitals for a quick kill. Joined Jun 13, 2007 Messages 5,427 Location Wilmington NC. I handload .458 SOCOM as follows for 1 round with all new brass. Ammoland the surrogate founder of ‘Steinel Ammunition? When dealing with drugged up people who will not stop with a round or two in the boiler room, the only thing we could do with the gear we were issued was to put one through the apricot. 600 gr. Since the round fits in standard 5.56 magazines, it makes for an easy transition moving from one species to another in the same platform. .458 SOCOM, 1.575 case length Hornady 325 gr FTX, 2.140 loaded length MAX loads, velocities estimated for 16" barrel Type mc (gr) fill (%) vel (fps) Pmax (psi) Z (%) Pmuz (psi) Norma 200 40.88 107.00 1828 35000 89.22 4777 Bofors RP1/NP ~approximation 40.88 107.00 1828 35000 89.22 4777 Hodgdon Lil'Gun 32.61 85.00 1815 35000 99.96 4132 ADI AR 2207 37.26 108.00 1811 35000 93.30 … I'm loading with IMR 4227, only powder I have at the moment. This is basically a lightly loaded 4570 in semi auto form. Hunting. 600 gr. need some help with 458 socom. And I eat tacos. Since there is only 1 way of making the .458 SOCOM Brass case harder, Starline has put in a ton of work on their materials engineering aspect to make the brass cases stiffer. Wish I would have bought one at gov surplus when they had them. I purpose built my SOCOM with hogs in mind. These are some of the loads we are putting together HORNADY 500 gr 458 SOCOM 45 Cal .458 … In fact, the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) estimates approximately 5 to 10 million MSRs are owned by responsible citizens. Its reputation on larger game is impressive. The 458 SOCOM shines in a number of applications, both tactical and hunting- at distanc- es within approximately 200 yards. H110 – 10 cents CCI 200 LRP – 3 cents TOTAL – $1.25 or $25 for 20 rounds Loading for the Hornady 325gr. The Lounge. And, of course, you just happened to have ALL the equipment you needed (including the dies) so there is no equipment cost (and that equipment will all last forever) Sure hand loading is cheaper (at least for most calibers) and potentially more accurate (although getting TO “more accurate” requires a lot of trial and error which adds cost), but the point of the line that you objected to was that you don’t need to hand load… Read more », Always a naysayer or Devil’s advocate in the bunch. You will be loading these to SOCOM lengths. Hunters can rely on the .458 SOCOM to either defend your life or dispatch heavier and thicker skin game. Because ammunition is getting more expensive over the past few years, many people are starting to consider reloading, and that should be the case. The difference in the TTSX and Tac TX is the $1 difference in price. When I get several hundred cases of a caliber I spend an evening or two or three loading them. The ammo runs flawlessly through both firearms. The base of the bullet is a rebated boattail design. Posts: 1,549 458 SOCOM Anyone load for it! The 458 SOCOM cartridge was required to fit the M4 carbine and fire at subsonic velocities using suppressors. Bone crusher calibers would quickly follow providing high country hunters with the power to knock down large American game such as elk, moose and brown bear. We are currently looking at some of the bullet technologies offered by Lehigh Defense.”, “Researching the origin of the 458-ammo inspired me to build the rifle,” T_Gun’s review states. There is no doubt it is a man stopper, deer stopper, elk stopper, bear stopper maybe even an elephant stopper. For hunters who prefer the MSR platform and want a bone-crushing projectile that takes game quickly and effectively at short to mid-ranges, the 458 SOCOM is a preferred caliber. As .458 SOCOM has a large case head diameter — seen above compared to a 6.5 Grendel, which has the same head/base/rim diameter as 7.62×39, which is already meaningfully larger than 5.56 NATO — there isn’t a lot of meat supporting the lugs. JFN (1550 fps / 2,134 ft.lbs.) Our hunting loads … Hornady FTX Flex Tip is Steinel’s premium .458 SOCOM load. Dec 17, 2007 #2 Why 458 SOCOM? For those looking for optimal expansion, we offer a 250 grain Solid Copper Hollow Point (SCHP). Reply; 458 SOCOM Anyone load for it! “The 300 grain JHP works for most everyone, but for those that prefer exceptional accuracy we offer the 325 grain FTX, and for those who demand unmatched penetration we have our 325-grain solid brass RNFP. While other manufacturers may have a specific product line designated as “match” or “premium,” at Steinel—premium ammunition is all we do. The table below compares the recoil … Case Trim Length C.O.L. Group Buys. Author Topic: 458 SOCOM Anyone loading or shooting? That is a lot of horsepower. Jr. just guessing about 1700 fps. All handloads used Starline cases and CCI 350 primers. When I collect enough fired brass I decap, size, trim, clean it and store it for future loading. Man working the counter asked if we’d brought our 458 SOCOM back, then had us read a range rules card we’d never seen before. The 30/06 and .308 do not wound deer. Re: Battle of Mogadishu. No doubt the best 458 SOCOM ammo on the market!”, Whitetail hunters prefer the 300 gr. Second article I’ve read in Ammoland promoting this ammo, hope they are paying for the advertisement;) Much of the research on the capabilities of big-bore AR-15 rounds like the .458 SOCOM concentrate in the area of subsonic (1,050 fps and lower velocities) and suppressed loads. If you decide to go with the 458, you’ll need plenty of bucks for ammo or learn to reload. The chart below compares how much a 10 mile per hour crosswind impacts those same .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM, 50 Beowulf, and .45-70 loads out to 300 yards. 1.281.935.7610. Even managed to enlist the help of Sean to crunch some Quickload info as well. All load data should be used with caution. 458 SOCOM Subsonic Loads (Slow Heavy Hard Hitters! The 458 SOCOM was a hand-loaded specialty- that is until Steinel Ammunition began offering accurate loads with a 300gr JHP and a 325gr FTX in 2016 and at prices that made hand loading … Bullet Type Primer. But one of these calibers did not get its start as a hunting caliber, at least of the four-legged variety. The quality, price and service from Steinel Ammo stand out so much that I had to build a matching pistol. Berry's Superior Plated Rifle Bullets.458 SOCOM.458" 350 gr RS 150/ct Berry's Superior Plated Bullets are swaged and plated to final weight and re-struck for accuracy and precision. Marty set forth from that stuff-of-legends meeting to develop the 458 SOCOM based upon the Special Operations Command requirements. Please go to Appearance > Sidebars and drag a widget into User Submit Sidebar. The platform, initially developed by Armalite in the 1950’s as a military-style rifle, has become increasingly popular with civilians for home defense, varmint hunting and more recently big game hunting. « Reply #15 on: June 29, 2015, 09:49:55 AM » I don't want to hijack here, I'll just say from my experience the Radical Firearms guns are pretty good. book shows 34gr is max. The FTX will be way off. I currently have the following molds: RCBS 45-300-FN, 45-405-FN and Lyman 457483 (385 gn). API for when the SHTF. I’ll go three to one odds it was. Previous Thread; Next Thread; Please make a selection first; new « Prev ; 1; Next » ezekiel38 375 Atomic. It’s long been paid for by cost saving on ammo. A contact made at a local gun show in Ohio led the fledgling Steinel Ammunition Company to its first distributor, specifically of this military-style round. I want a .458 SOCOM for pig hunting and was wondering if the cartridge will work on a lever action? Velocity is the average of 10 rounds measured 15 feet from the gun's muzzle. and love every minute of it! ITEM 47D. (Read 16764 times) Rich10. I will probably obtain a 500 grain or heavier mold as well. Contact Form 7 or GravityForms plugin is required! As such, it provides this .458 SOCOM ammo with amazing accuracy, power, and consistency like the best .458 SOCOM ammo should come with. ALL 250 gr 300 gr 325 gr 330 gr 350 gr 400 gr 570 gr. A standard 30 round GI mag holds 10 rounds of .458 SOCOM. The sheer amount of energy delivered by the heavy round is adequate for all large North American game animals, from moose to … Grains Vel. The 300BLK Taco Bullet Mold aka “300BLK Bullet Mold for Dummies” Is Finished. ), Turret Head Stacking System - Redding T-7, Frankford Arsenal Cartridge Overall Length Gauge. Public Service … I also beg to differ with the following: “found that using traditional hunting rounds such as .30-06 or .308 left him tracking wounded deer since the round would not fully expand” I note the lack of stating exactly what type of .308 or .30-06 ammunition that the author is referring to. Quote. They are more affordable than jacketed rounds and will not foul your barrel with lead. I’m retired, widowed, live alone and my time is FREE. Thus, 3 rounds in one, and zero in the other...I haven’t even mounted my 458 SOCOM dies as there’s no empty cases to load, and we’d have no place to test loads or create more empties. The 300-grain round offers a muzzle velocity 1,900 fps. If you want the .45 with the most versatility, it’s the 458 SOCOM. B. BountyHunter Well-Known Member. Many firearms, magazines and parts for this site may be […] Member ; Posts: 259; Re: 458 SOCOM Anyone loading or shooting? When you use Steinel pistol or rifle ammo, you can be sure that countless hours of research and testing have gone into every round. Soft Point for hunting rounds for 30-06, 150gr. Our passion for precision, repeatability, accuracy, and reliability drives our pursuit of perfection. Cost is not quite double at $60/20 rds, but how many shots do you need in hunting? The 458 Socom is a very versatile caliber with bullet offerings from 120 grains all the way up to over 600 grains in a sub sonic application. This round features the incredible technology of Hornady’s 325-grain FTX bullet. The goal was to capture two of Aidid’s top lieutenants and the time frame for the mission was estimated to be about an hour and ended up lasting overnight and well into the next day with 18 elite American troops killed. Southern Ballistic Research offers 21 different loads for the .458 SOCOM with bullets ranging from 100 to 500 grains. Marty developed the cartridge and Tony Rumore of Tromix built the first 458 SOCOM rifle in 2001. Yes, yes, yes, I know, you enjoy hand loading so your time doesn’t count as part of the cost. JHP because of its consistency round after round. The .458 SOCOM cartridge was developed around 2000 as a result of an informal discussion with a senior member of the US Special Operations community following the Operation “Gothic Serpent” debacle in Mogadishu, Somalia, described in the book “Blackhawk Down”. “The 458 SOCOM cartridge was required to fit the M4 carbine and fire at subsonic velocities using suppressors.” Just guessing that Steinel ‘may’ produce ‘subsonic’ ammo for the .458, but none of those listed are anything like ‘subsonic.’ The article does mention hunting other than the human animal and most likely the reason for the increased velocities? This site uses cookies to improve your experience. A forum search has yielded mainly super sonic load data. Less than 20 years later, a new ammunition design and manufacturing company, founded by Andy Steinel, was making the gun show rounds selling his unique MILSurp, big bore, and hard-to-find calibers. I recently purchased a 458 socom, and I am going to be reloading ammo for it. The content presented here is intended to inform, to educate, and even to entertain. It’s critical that bolts are made of high-grade steel, properly heat treated, stress relieved, and fully inspected. However, they are all very similar at normal hunting ranges. The ammo cycles … The 450 Bushmaster, 220 gr, Extreme Hunter, loaded by Underwood has 2,770 ft/lbs, and a better trajectory in from a 16” barrel. The guns eat lead. Let our attention to every technical detail provide you with the ammunition you and your gun deserve. One of Steinel’s converts previously found that using traditional hunting rounds such as .30-06 or .308 left him tracking wounded deer since the round would not fully expand and pass right through the deer. Hunters found these calibers were effective against mid-sized large game such as deer, hogs and black bear. Press. The pursuit was on for a reliable projectile that could take larger game ethically and fit and feed the MSR platform consistently.